tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post1351852647827783629..comments2024-03-28T00:08:14.247-07:00Comments on Foster's Theological Reflections: The Material and Spiritual Worlds of Jehovah's Creation: Mental States and Brain States (Dualism and Christian Physicalism)Edgar Fosterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-8466559583839859782016-11-02T09:24:00.473-07:002016-11-02T09:24:00.473-07:00Foods for thought:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch...Foods for thought:-<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpzPK2Bs1GM<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g09_e0Yledk<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpzPK2Bs1GM<br /><br />Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-21372564132737487312016-10-27T02:13:01.040-07:002016-10-27T02:13:01.040-07:00Edgar,
Serotonin syndrome is of significance if o...Edgar,<br /><br />Serotonin syndrome is of significance if one is taking drugs that stimulate serotonin production when there is no proven baseline for serotonin levels in humans. People with high serotonin can be depressed just as people with low serotonin can be "normal". It is playing with fire.<br /><br />Why nutrition is never seen as the primary point of treatment is staggering since it is the thing with which we have the most intimate connection. Diet should always be at the forefront and then other interventions to augment it. Unfortunately "alternative" pseudo medicine gives food a bad name but when approached with the same rigor as pharma in the majority of cases it wins, hands down and why shouldn't it?<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJH05_y2jP0<br /><br />As I said before, I like your post & I generally agree with it's idea. The only mechanism that stands apart from all others is the actual spark of animation.<br />Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-68354005450030599002016-10-26T22:45:25.920-07:002016-10-26T22:45:25.920-07:00Duncan, I'm going to make a few remarks and le...Duncan, I'm going to make a few remarks and let the matter rest for now. The whole reason I even mentioned serotonin was to illustrate how a physical cause might explain a so-called "mental" effect. Whether serotonin is a cause of depression or not, my point is that a physical cause is likely responsible for depression, not a sick soul or mental entity.<br /><br />Secondly, the mayoclinic link does not refute what I wrote about serotonin. It only addresses serotonin syndrome, which is a different issue altogether.<br /><br />Thirdly, I acknowledge that not all psychologists (etc) are going to say that serotonin is a (not necessarily the) cause of depression. When is there ever unanimous consensus about such things? I have shown that some very weighty authorities do believe serotonin plays some role in depression. That is all I needed to demonstrate for my suggestion in the blog entry to work.<br /><br />Lastly, the ncbi article concludes in part:<br /><br />"Simple biochemical theories that link low levels of serotonin with depressed mood are no longer tenable. However, experimental and computational accounts of how serotonin influences emotional processing throw an intriguing light on the neuropsychology of depression and its pharmacological treatment."<br /><br />I don't think that statement puts nails in the coffin of the serotonin idea. It doesn't rule out serotonin playing some causal role in depression.<br /><br />That's all I have to say about this matter for now.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />Edgar<br /><br />Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-80178141334193560872016-10-26T15:06:51.487-07:002016-10-26T15:06:51.487-07:00https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC44719...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4471964/<br /><br />This article from one of your recommended sources puts some nails in the coffin of the serotonin theory.Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-75028282689664328622016-10-26T14:59:44.344-07:002016-10-26T14:59:44.344-07:00http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/843805
Note i...http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/843805<br /><br />Note inflammation which is combatted by antioxidants so it's coming back to whole plant foods.Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-36471202357549483482016-10-26T14:43:27.614-07:002016-10-26T14:43:27.614-07:00http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2014/09/13/l...http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2014/09/13/low-serotonin-levels-dont-cause-depression/Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-2998082721794550652016-10-26T13:38:30.446-07:002016-10-26T13:38:30.446-07:00http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sero...http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/serotonin-syndrome/basics/definition/con-20028946Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-13461748607731189752016-10-26T10:04:04.731-07:002016-10-26T10:04:04.731-07:00One last thought. Here's a 2015 refernece. Use...One last thought. Here's a 2015 refernece. Use F to find the word serotonin on the page: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gut-feelings-the-second-brain-in-our-gastrointestinal-systems-excerpt/Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-2414254867344383682016-10-26T10:00:27.637-07:002016-10-26T10:00:27.637-07:00I tried some of the links for the Bristol site, an...I tried some of the links for the Bristol site, and they are not working. Sorry one can't link to them. Here are some links that do work:<br /><br />https://www.britannica.com/science/serotonin<br /><br />https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms?cdrid=335511<br /><br />http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_08/d_08_m/d_08_m_dep/d_08_m_dep.htmlEdgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-47115162531123550192016-10-26T09:42:48.074-07:002016-10-26T09:42:48.074-07:00Duncan,
I tried to pick two highly regarded sites...Duncan,<br /><br />I tried to pick two highly regarded sites on the web. The ncbi link was published in 2007; the other (Webmd) is dated 2011. Okay, these two links may not be from 2016, but I'm certain there are many sources that back up my view of serotonin and depression. BTW, I'm not being dogmatic about cases for depression, nor do I claim to be right. My paper is only tangentially about serotonin or depression. My only contention is that it's possible that serotonin deficits and depression are connected. See http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/serotonin/depression.htm<br /><br />This site has a number of links here: http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/serotonin/references.htm<br /><br />I don't take antidepressants, and have not used them for more than a decade. So I'm not advocating one treatment over another. My interests are metaphysical and theological.Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-49494670800687741042016-10-25T23:10:07.502-07:002016-10-25T23:10:07.502-07:00Edgar, please note that the information you provid...Edgar, please note that the information you provided on serotonin is somewhat older than any of my posts. Sheraton appears to be a correlation not a causation similar to modern research on cholesterol. The information I provide is far from controversial -<br /><br />http://uk.cochrane.org/about-us<br /><br />The information will continue to appear controversial in the media while profit can still be made.<br /><br />Evidence based medicine and evidence based nutrition. Cochrane and nutrition facts both have the not for profit researchers to provide it.<br /><br />As for the brain and it's imbalances they are far more complex but that still does not change the underlying effect whether it be serotonin or nutrition to the brains ability to function.Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-70908618325854251362016-10-25T09:06:07.770-07:002016-10-25T09:06:07.770-07:00Duncan, the closer to truth series was also what I...Duncan, the closer to truth series was also what I had in mind. I think it's a wonderful and enlightening series.Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-16101669752247622512016-10-25T09:04:31.458-07:002016-10-25T09:04:31.458-07:00I'm going to allow these comments although I b...I'm going to allow these comments although I believe this thread should not become a debate about nutrition. The main thrust of the paper concerns issues pertaining to dualism and Christian materialism. So the serotonin remark is a subsidiary issue, but I would agree that any comment made in a paper should be correct, plausible or potentially sustainable as a claim. <br /><br />We're not going to resolve the medical debate about what causes depression, and I'm not qualified to pass judgments like that anyway. Again, I am not going to debate this question, because that's not my focus or expertise. Moreover, medical authorities disagree among themselves.<br /><br />However, here are some links I found on the subject. All material on this subject needs to be read critically:<br /><br />https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2077351/<br /><br />http://www.webmd.com/depression/features/serotonin#1Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-13143253905628468962016-10-25T08:42:36.024-07:002016-10-25T08:42:36.024-07:00http://nutritionfacts.org/video/antioxidants-and-d...http://nutritionfacts.org/video/antioxidants-and-depression/Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-59695785407241851792016-10-25T08:38:48.795-07:002016-10-25T08:38:48.795-07:00http://web.stanford.edu/group/hopes/cgi-bin/hopes_...http://web.stanford.edu/group/hopes/cgi-bin/hopes_test/diet-and-neurogenesis/Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-48173571084288311912016-10-25T04:18:34.737-07:002016-10-25T04:18:34.737-07:00This is an interesting piece. When you refer to P...This is an interesting piece. When you refer to PBS are these some of the programs? -<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/user/CloserToTruth1/search?query=dualism<br /><br />I do not want to be picky but I have to point out that "depression and serotonin deficiency" is a misleading statement that many doctors and psychiatrist have been guilty of perpetuated over recent years.<br /><br />Short term treatments for depression include both drugs that increase and decrease serotonin. Both have been found to possibly be helpful in the short term. It is now thought that the chemical kick is due to the shift in chemical balance. There is no evidence that a depression patient is deficient in serotonin the analogy often used (as a diabetic lacks insulin) if patently false. <br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2010/sep/28/depression-serotonin-neurogenesis<br /><br />I have sent you videos before of Peter Gotche from the Nordic cochrane institute.<br /><br />http://davidhealy.org/psychiatry-gone-astray/<br /><br />http://www.cochrane.org/CD007954/DEPRESSN_antidepressants-versus-placebo-for-depression-in-primary-care<br /><br />http://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.i65<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/14/antidepressants-can-raise-the-risk-of-suicide-biggest-ever-revie/<br /><br />Time and attention can be just as effective in many cases (and of course, good nutrition).<br /><br />When a market for a drug starts to falter they just move it to a new application:-<br /><br />http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/44/3/844<br /><br />I am not stating this to in anyway undermine the rest of your argument.Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.com