tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post6755332067598742623..comments2024-03-28T22:55:23.525-07:00Comments on Foster's Theological Reflections: The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians 9 (The Sabbath and the Church)Edgar Fosterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-38750417743600060272016-10-31T03:21:55.747-07:002016-10-31T03:21:55.747-07:00"Theophrastus, in his ‘Moral Sketches,’ defin..."Theophrastus, in his ‘Moral Sketches,’ defines the close-handed man as one who, at his daughter’s wedding feast, sells all the victims offered except the sacred parts; and the shameless person as one who, after offering a sacrifice, salts the victim for future use, and goes out to dine with some one else. The market was therefore stocked with meat which had been connected with idol-sacrifices. The Christian could never be sure about any meat which he bought if he held it wrong to partake of these offerings. Further than this, he would—especially if he were poor—feel it a great privation to be entirely out off from the public feasts (sussitia), which perhaps were often his only chance of eating meat at all; and also to be forbidden to take a social meal with any of his Gentile neighbours or relatives. The question was therefore a “burning” one. It involved much of the comfort and brightness of ancient social life (Thueydides, ii. 38; Aristotle, ‘Eth.,’ vii. 9, § 5; Cicero, ‘Off.,’ ii. 16; Livy, viii. 32, etc.)."<br /><br />>> he would—especially if he were poor—feel it a great privation to be entirely out off from the public feasts (sussitia), which perhaps were often his only chance of eating meat at all; <<<br /><br />This is culture but was it deprivation?<br /><br />The other side:-<br /><br />"Rabbi Ishmael, in ‘Avoda Zara,’ said that a Jew might not even go to a Gentile funeral, even if he took with him his own meat and his own servants. The law of the drink offering forbids a Jew to drink of a cask if any one has even touched a goblet drawn from it with the presumed intention of offering a little to the gods."Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-70489064629304809542016-10-28T21:34:36.710-07:002016-10-28T21:34:36.710-07:00Yes, I believe Eph. 2:11 and Col. 2:11 are good ex...Yes, I believe Eph. 2:11 and Col. 2:11 are good examples of the idiom. There's also Daniel 2:34, 45; 8:25 and 2 Cor. 5:1.Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-42734691178490679462016-10-28T15:26:53.859-07:002016-10-28T15:26:53.859-07:00Eph 2:11 & col 2:11 ?Eph 2:11 & col 2:11 ?Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-21098564851281724692016-10-28T15:20:02.758-07:002016-10-28T15:20:02.758-07:00That utterance appears in the bible. A way of sayi...That utterance appears in the bible. A way of saying not by human means, but from God. Here, the saying applies to the new law of Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-30984698852916464852016-10-28T15:18:21.204-07:002016-10-28T15:18:21.204-07:00http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/13447/i...http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/13447/is-it-a-discouraged-or-an-unacceptable-practice-for-a-gentile-to-keep-the-sabbatDuncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-63346067247669647602016-10-28T15:13:19.007-07:002016-10-28T15:13:19.007-07:00not made by human hands?not made by human hands?Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-60021264447804986262016-10-28T14:35:54.173-07:002016-10-28T14:35:54.173-07:00In response the to gci link:
It seems pretty clea...In response the to gci link:<br /><br />It seems pretty clear that Christianity generally rejected Sabbath observance. I was going to mention the Epistle of Barnabas as a further line of evidence, but the article brings it up too. One problem I have with the article, however, is its reading of Ignatius' words to the Magnesians. Why limit his sabbath remarks to the Magnesians when there's evidence that other professed followers of Christ also no longer observed sabbath? Most importantly, the sabbath was never given to Gentiles anyway.<br /><br />A very selective reading of Barnabas as well. In Epistle of Barnabas 2.6:<br /><br />"These things therefore He annulled, that the new law of our Lord<br />Jesus Christ, being free from the yoke of constraint, might have its<br />oblation not made by human hands."<br /><br />Justin Martyr's documents also indicate that Christians are not obligated to keep the sabbath day.<br /><br />http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13287b.htmEdgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-23536355725204888602016-10-28T10:25:54.978-07:002016-10-28T10:25:54.978-07:00https://www.gci.org/law/sabbath/history2https://www.gci.org/law/sabbath/history2Duncanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14509064648619505383noreply@blogger.com