tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post7050906043647645858..comments2024-03-28T00:08:14.247-07:00Comments on Foster's Theological Reflections: Christ as the EIKON of God (Philo)-Part of a Working PaperEdgar Fosterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-38045631026827365042014-12-19T11:01:23.810-08:002014-12-19T11:01:23.810-08:00https://www.academia.edu/1515024/Alexanders_dialog...https://www.academia.edu/1515024/Alexanders_dialogue_with_Indian_philosophers_riddle_in_Indian_and_Greek_traditionDuncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-52915199268591232872014-12-19T09:46:10.157-08:002014-12-19T09:46:10.157-08:00Edgar,
I tend to favour passing remarks over deta...Edgar,<br /><br />I tend to favour passing remarks over detailed myths. I have my suspicions of accounts like this, ones like Josephus tail about Alexander and the story of the 72 rabbis at alexandria.<br /><br />http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=barbarian<br /><br />The term used may have deeper implications if this account was written in Greek even if it is referencing Hebrews as the elephantine papyri demonstrate.<br /><br />So the question is - the influence of which Jews?<br /><br />Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-15714556190179633912014-12-18T18:46:25.367-08:002014-12-18T18:46:25.367-08:00Duncan,
you might have proceeded on to Clement&#...Duncan, <br /><br />you might have proceeded on to Clement's account of the Indian gymnosophists whom Alexander the Gret reportedly encountered. The pre-Nicene Clement is not the only ancient writer to hand down that account. But it would lend weight to the notion that Indian thought/custom/speech possibly influenced Greek thought/ways.Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-80548523811153935382014-12-18T14:48:37.317-08:002014-12-18T14:48:37.317-08:00Later in that same work (Stromata V.14), Clement d...Later in that same work (Stromata V.14), Clement does accuse the Greeks of copying the barbarians; however, he primarily has the Hebrews in mind. Philo makes similar claims.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />EdgarEdgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-27683709686877136172014-12-18T14:44:51.412-08:002014-12-18T14:44:51.412-08:00Duncan,
thanks for locating this passage from Cle...Duncan,<br /><br />thanks for locating this passage from Clement. I do remember reading this work by him, although there are problems with his account. Maybe he also says that the Greeks "stole" philosophy from the barbarians although he does not seem to go that far in the chapter you shared. But some of his claims might not be sustained in the light of historical analysis. For instance when Clement writes:<br /><br />"Of all these [barbarians], by far the oldest is the Jewish race; and that their philosophy committed to writing has the precedence of philosophy among the Greeks, the Pythagorean Philo shows at large; and, besides him, Aristobulus the Peripatetic, and several others, not to waste time, in going over them by name."Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-12015428547343242552014-12-18T14:34:38.450-08:002014-12-18T14:34:38.450-08:00Clement stromata book 5.
CHAPTER XIV -- GREEK PLA...Clement stromata book 5.<br /><br />CHAPTER XIV -- GREEK PLAGIARISM FROM THE HEBREWS.<br /><br />Let us add in completion what follows, and exhibit now with greater clearness the plagiarism of the Greeks from the Barbarian philosophy.Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-82462450239060620972014-12-18T14:25:13.626-08:002014-12-18T14:25:13.626-08:00http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/002/0020308.ht...http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/002/0020308.htmDuncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-2490546834530124862014-12-18T14:02:21.452-08:002014-12-18T14:02:21.452-08:00Edgar,
Found the book:-
https://books.google.co....Edgar,<br /><br />Found the book:-<br /><br />https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Kwnv3I6qIosC&pg=PA91&lpg=PA91&dq=Alain+Danielou+clement+of+alexandria&source=bl&ots=LqvxGynJFd&sig=slD5HO0XsdpCwL7Yq8MSwpOI9P4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M0yTVJXiOcO0Uez5gLAL&ved=0CCsQ6AEwBQ<br /><br />Pg 91 & 92 but no direct reference to the quotes location.Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-73728168138400513372014-12-18T11:10:50.575-08:002014-12-18T11:10:50.575-08:00Edgar,
Apparently the clement quote comes from a ...Edgar,<br /><br />Apparently the clement quote comes from a work by Alain Danielou. I will try to find it.<br /><br />It may just be one of those viral web quotes.Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-87890316092744762242014-12-18T08:05:36.302-08:002014-12-18T08:05:36.302-08:00I will not discount the Clement quote straightway,...I will not discount the Clement quote straightway, but it sounds like an odd thing for Clement to say, and no reference is provided for the saying. Historically, it certainly departs from mainstream scholarship, which locates the origin of philosophy with the Greeks. However, there have been some who posited an African origin for philosophia.Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-44213968582432748412014-12-18T07:56:26.152-08:002014-12-18T07:56:26.152-08:00Duncan,
the first link which you provided in the ...Duncan,<br /><br />the first link which you provided in the thread is likely the most promising thing I've seen thus far which tries to make a conceptual link between Greek LOGOS and Sanskrit/Hindu VAK. <br /><br />I still insist that more evidence would be needed to establish a solid connection. Secondly, cultures understand the divine "Word" in their own way. That some divinity uttered his/her Word is a familiar enough concept in world religion/mythology. But the understanding of that Word verges from there. See (for instance) how the ancient Egyptians understood the Word. I think Boman touches on this point in his study.Edgar Fosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00280475259670777653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-89404689213359607692014-12-18T04:25:39.189-08:002014-12-18T04:25:39.189-08:00I cannot comment on anything in this link as I am ...I cannot comment on anything in this link as I am unable to confirm or deny its references, but thought you might find it interesting.<br /><br />http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/Proceedings_1910_1000035231/37<br /><br />Pg38,39.Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-3152324810694284332014-12-18T02:49:52.415-08:002014-12-18T02:49:52.415-08:00Did Clement of Alexandria admit that "we the ...Did Clement of Alexandria admit that "we the Greeks have stolen from the Barbarians their philosophy."?<br /><br />I have seen it quoted, but is this correct?Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13958708.post-27823961589017184242014-12-18T02:12:55.490-08:002014-12-18T02:12:55.490-08:00Edgar,
See:-
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...Edgar,<br /><br />See:-<br /><br />https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RILAjuKkIH8C&pg=PA372&lpg=PA372&dq=philo+logos+vak&source=bl&ots=MPl1M4xHNK&sig=bZQdlm8ttfLKnbiP_gO4BJ2BFjY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7KWSVN2bIcmO7AbujoHgDg&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=philo%20logos%20vak&f=false<br /><br />Duncannoreply@blogger.com