Lupieri claims the passage is ambiguous--not to John--but to the reader because John write 3:14 prior to the 4th century Christological controversies. So he was not aware of debates aboiut Christ as God versus Christ as creature. Lupieri appears to think the simple appearance of arche might not tell us whether Christ is God or creature, but the term suggests preexistence (in this case) either way. That is how I understand Lupieri.
Duncan, I've got to run, and it's not my intent to be argumentative, but I don't believe Rev. 3:21 settles the meaning of arche in 3:14. Granted, context is a good indicator of what a word might denote. However, it hardly ever settles the issue where lexical semantics is involved. Not everyone even reads contexts the same way.
"John is not aware....ambiguous on this point."
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's ambiguous because this author is not reading it correctly.
Lupieri claims the passage is ambiguous--not to John--but to the reader because John write 3:14 prior to the 4th century Christological controversies. So he was not aware of debates aboiut Christ as God versus Christ as creature. Lupieri appears to think the simple appearance of arche might not tell us whether Christ is God or creature, but the term suggests preexistence (in this case) either way. That is how I understand Lupieri.
ReplyDeleteContext - Rev 3:21. It becomes quite clear.
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ReplyDeleteDuncan, I've got to run, and it's not my intent to be argumentative, but I don't believe Rev. 3:21 settles the meaning of arche in 3:14. Granted, context is a good indicator of what a word might denote. However, it hardly ever settles the issue where lexical semantics is involved. Not everyone even reads contexts the same way.
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