The Problematic Nature of the Trinity Doctrine
Trinitarians and non-trinitarians alike have noted the problematic
nature of the Trinity doctrine. In the Aquinas lectures of 1969,
Bernard Cooke stated his disapproval of the arbitrary abstractness of
the Trinity, saying: "one must ask whether the revelation of Father,
Son, and Spirit can then be fitted into the formalities of thought set
up by such [philosophical] reflection" (16). The philosophical
reflection that Cooke references is the learned cogitation of men like
Thomas Aquinas and Anselm of Canterbury. In the writings of Aquinas,
the unicity of God is so neatly distinguished from the triunity of God,
Cooke worried that the divine nature might be viewed as "an infinite
neutrality" (16). This thought world, exclaims Cooke, is very different
from the Weltanschauung of the apostle John.
Cooke is not the only theologian to worry about deep-seated problems of
the Trinity. Cyril C. Richardson has also expressed his personal
reservations about the doctrine of God's triunity. According to
Richardson, the Trinity is "an artificial construct" (Richardson 148).
It arbitrarily tries to resolve the perennial problem of God's
simultaneous absoluteness and relatedness to the world, by formulating
a doctrine of necessary threeness in the Godhead. In fact, Richardson
writes: "there is no necessary threeness in the Godhead" (149). He
concedes that there are immanent distinctions in the godhead; but the
Trinity does not exhaust all of the distinctions that need to be made,
nor does it resolve the numerous antinomies associated with the
absoluteness and relatedness of God. Richardson asserts that this has
been true of every Trinitarian theory ever formulated. Is Richardson
correct? Does an analysis of the Trinity doctrine show that there are
insoluble difficulties connected with it? Is it indeed possible to
postulate a coherent statement of God's supposed threefoldness? The
purpose of this essay is to provide an answer to these questions, and
carefully analyze both terminological and logical problems related to
the Trinity. After scrutinizing the doctrine, I will briefly evaluate
the arguments on both sides and state my thoughts regarding the
Trinity.
The question of how to refer to the three persons (tres personae)
united in one divine substance (substantia) has been an ongoing debate
in Christian theology for centuries. Normally, when we moderns think of
a person, we envision reasoning, responsible, thinking centers of
consciousness--distinct and individuated from other centers of
consciousness. Nevertheless, if we apply such terminology to the three
persons of the Godhead, ineluctable conundrums result. The idea of God
subsisting as three centers of consciousness in one substance is a
notion repugnant to most Trinitarians. Karl Rahner writes, "this is the
very thing which is excluded by the dogmatic teaching on the single and
unique essence of God" (135). That is, the three persons cannot be
three separate centers of consciousness because: "this unicity of
[God's] essence implies and includes the unicity of one single
consciousness and one single freedom" that is determined by the
"mysterious threeness" of the triune Godhead (135). While this approach
eliminates the threat of tritheism, however, other problems ominously
hover above the orthodox dogma of the Trinity.
Not only have most modern theologians been disturbed by the implication
of the term "person," with reference to the Father, Son and Holy
Spirit; the word "person" also bothered Augustine of Hippo.
Consequently, the famed bishop formulated a psychological model of the
Trinity, likening the divine substantia to human memory, imagination
and will. Furthermore, Augustine wrote that the whole of the Godhead
resided in each persona. Thus, the Father is fully God, the Son is
fully God, and the Holy Spirit is fully God. Yet, there are not three
gods, but one God. While Augustine's model obviates the threat of
tritheism, Rahner suggests that his formulation is deficient because it
does not sufficiently explain the Father's begettal of the Son, or the
spiration of the Holy Spirit. Additionally, Augustine's analogy does
not give enough weight to the "historical and salvific experience of
the Son and of the Spirit" (135). It woefully fails to explain the
Trinity's relation to God's dealings within history (His economic
dealings). This renders the doctrine incomprehensible from an economic
(oikonomia) standpoint.
A third criticism of Rahner's is that Augustine's metaphor fails to
teach us that the God revealed in the oikonomia, is the same God of the
ontological Trinity. Consequently, if the ontological Trinity (God as
He is in Himself) is not equivalent to the economic Trinity, we can not
assume that God has disclosed Himself in the person of Jesus Christ (a
conclusion radically at odds with the revelation deposited in the New
Testament). Rahner thus concludes that interpretations of the Trinity
like Augustine's are gnostic in nature: they put forth the idea of a
God "behind" the God that Jesus Christ "explained" (exegesato). In an
effort to solve problems associated with the psychological analogy of
the Trinity, Rahner proposes viewing the persons of the Godhead in
terms of relations. However, does this positing of three "relations,"
as opposed to three persons, really solve the problematic implications
that attend the triune doctrine of God? For the following reasons, we
must answer 'no'.
For one, from Rahner's frame of reference, to think of the Trinity
numerically (one nature, etc.) is ipso facto not to think of God's
triunity at all! Rahner further insists that "the three persons are not
three distinct things per se but are three distinct things only in and
through their relations with each other" (Davis 139). He frequently
employs such terms as "relative realities" or 'mere and opposed
relations' to describe the personae of the Godhead, all the while
insisting that the Trinity is a "unity of three divine persons"
subsisting in "three distinct manners of subsisting" (qt. In Davis
139). The tres personae "are identical to the Godhead but only
virtually distinct from each other" (Davis 139). In this regard,
Stephen Davis comments:
Rahner calls relations 'the most unreal of realities' but insists that
they are absolutely real as other determinations. But I do not see how
this helps. There is nothing in my experience that helps me understand
the concepts Rahner is working with; thus they do not help me
understand the doctrine of the Trinity (140).
Sporadic theological and historical musings by Edgar Foster (Ph.D. in Theology and Religious Studies and one of Jehovah's Witnesses).
Saturday, February 06, 2010
The Problematic Nature of the Trinity Doctrine (A Paper in the Works)
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So I had a trinitarian claim Jesus by this reasoning:
"Jesus is Jehovah The Lord of hosts
Isaiah 8:13-14
[13]Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
[14]And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Romans 9:33
[33]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
What is your thoughts on this? And how would you explain this error in understanding?
What you're describing is a biblical phenomenon that happens often, where a verse that originally applied to Jehovah is applied to Jesus in the GNT. However, scholars have recognized that it's too hasty an inference to conclude that the Bible writers were identifying YHWH with Jesus.
As the agent who accomplishes Jehovah's purposes, it would be fitting to have such prophecies applied to Christ. For example, see the footnote for 1 Peter 2:3 (I believe) in the 1984 NWT. I would also ask someone to compare Habakkuk 1:5 and Acts 13:41. Many other examples could be adduced. Compare 2 Cor. 1:20.
What is your thoughts on this type of trinitarian or oneness reasoning?
Quote:
"Jesus is God.
Jesus told the rich young ruler that only God is good(moral perfection), then proceeded to live perfectly and die for our sins."
I've heard numerous people say only God is perfect and can't sin, therefore Jesus is God because he didn't sin.
Hello,
I have a question. We know Jehovah is the Rock according to the Scriptures.
Deuteronomy 32:4
English Revised Version
"The Rock, his work is perfect; For all his ways are judgment: A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, Just and right is he."
Isaiah 44:8
New American Standard Bible
‘Do not tremble and do not be afraid; Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.’”
But trinitarians and oneness will point to 1 Corinthians 10:4:
New Revised Standard Version
"and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ"
They claim Isaiah 44:8 shows there is only one Rock, Jehovah, yet Paul calls Jesus the Rock in 1 Corinthians 10:4, so Jesus must be Jehovah in light of these verses.
How can one help them to see this reasoning is incorrect? I don't believe Deut. 32:4, Isaiah 44:8, and 1 Corinthians 10:4 are talking about the same thing, but how can one explain it?
I'm inundated with other things today, but the argument seems to be wanting. For instance, see https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h6697/kjv/wlc/0-1/
Compare Isaiah 51:1
First, it's crucial to address the concern that the Trinity is an "artificial construct" or "philosophical abstraction," as posited by theologians like Cyril C. Richardson. The doctrine of the Trinity is indeed complex, but it was not formulated in a vacuum; it arose out of the early Christian community's reflection on the scriptural witness, especially as it grappled with the identity of Jesus Christ and the experience of the Holy Spirit. The Trinitarian language developed as a way to safeguard key Christian convictions about God's revelation in Christ and the Spirit while maintaining monotheism. Far from being an arbitrary construct, the Trinity reflects the early Church’s attempt to remain faithful to the scriptural portrayal of God’s interaction with the world.
The critiques about the term "person" as applied to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, such as those voiced by Karl Rahner, highlight the difficulties in translating ancient theological concepts into modern terminology. The term "person" in Trinitarian theology does not correspond exactly to the contemporary understanding of a "person" as an individual center of consciousness. Instead, it is a technical term that denotes distinct relations within the one divine essence. Augustine’s psychological model and Rahner’s relational model are attempts to articulate the mystery of the Trinity, but they are not definitive explanations. These models serve as analogies, not exhaustive descriptions, and their purpose is to point towards the reality of God rather than to fully encapsulate it.
Regarding the concern that the ontological Trinity (God as He is in Himself) might differ from the economic Trinity (God as revealed in history), it's important to emphasize that orthodox Christian theology maintains that the two are indeed the same. The God who acts in history (economic Trinity) is the same God who exists eternally as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (ontological Trinity). Rahner’s Rule, which asserts that "the economic Trinity is the immanent Trinity and the immanent Trinity is the economic Trinity," is a crucial corrective to any gnostic tendencies that might separate God’s revelation from His eternal nature. This principle upholds the consistency of God’s self-revelation with His true nature.
TY
Regarding the Jesus as rock argument, Trinity Delusion and others have mounted some criticisms against it. I checked Anthony Thiselton's commentary on 1 Corinthians and he discusses an array of interpretations regarding 1 Cor. 10:4. It is far from clear that Paul was linking Jesus with YHWH there: see also the context in that Bible book.
The term "Rock" in the Old Testament is indeed used to describe YHWH, as seen in Deuteronomy 32:4 and Isaiah 44:8. The consistent use of this metaphor across both Testaments can be seen as a reflection of the unity of God in His various manifestations. When Paul refers to Christ as the "Rock" in 1 Corinthians 10:4, he is drawing on this rich Old Testament imagery, not to create a new entity or role, but to reveal the continuity between YHWH of the Old Testament and Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
The New Testament frequently presents Christ as the embodiment and revelation of God the Father. John 1:1 and John 10:30 express the profound unity between the Father and the Son, indicating that they share the same divine essence. Therefore, when Paul calls Christ the "Rock," he is not merely using a metaphor but is making a theological statement about Christ's divine identity. In Trinitarian theology, this does not negate the distinct persons within the Godhead but rather affirms their unity in essence.
Paul’s intention in 1 Corinthians 10 is to illustrate the continuity of God’s saving work from the Old Testament through to Christ. By identifying Christ as the spiritual Rock, Paul ties Jesus directly to the divine actions of YHWH, such as providing for Israel in the wilderness. This is consistent with the understanding that Christ, as the second person of the Trinity, was active in the Old Testament as the pre-incarnate Word, participating in the acts of God while still being distinct in personhood from the Father.
The early Church Fathers also understood Jesus’ identification with the "Rock" as part of the broader scriptural testimony to His divinity.
Nincsnevem, we agree that YHWH (Jehovah) is caalled the Rock and yes, it's a metaphor. However, see Isaiah 51:1 where the reference is to Abraham as the rock of Israel, another metaphor.
Is Paul identifying Christ with YHWH in 1 Cor. 10:4? That is not a necessary inference and numerous explanations have been given for this verse, one of which is the typological approach. The text is a shaky reference at best for Trinitarians.
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