Saturday, August 13, 2016

More On Interaction Between Body and Soul/Spirit (Dialogue with a Friend)

I've edited the material below to preserve anonymity and to make the discussion more concise. Sean K., maybe this material will be helpful to you.

God could make a human with a non-material mind, then fully determine that mind (theological determinism). Dualism doesn't automatically make the problem of free will go away, and it [actually] raises a new problem of agent-causation. How does an immaterial will bring about action in conjunction with all of the physical factors that exert causal influence on us? That question is not easily answered with the tools of science or philosophy. See Watson, Gary (editor). Free will. Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press, 2003. Flanagan, Owen J. The problem of the soul: two visions of mind and how to reconcile them. New York: Basic Books, 2002.

Here is where I'll broach the problem of overdetermination again. I'm not that comfortable saying "I am my brain" or "free will does not exist." It just seems that higher-level processes of the brain could explain free will and other conscious states. Conversely, I'm curious as to why you'd say that we need dualism to explain Alzheimer, addiction, hormones (etc.)? Could we not explain all of these phenomena by appealing to neurobiological processes? And if a physical cause is able to explain an effect, then why propose another cause for the effect (i.e., the problem of overdetermination)?

Addendum: On that last point, to illustrate, if pain can be explained adequately by natural factors and it's made better through analgesics, then why propose a supernatural factor to account for pain? Or if psychosis explains why a person hears voices, why claim that the person must be demon-possessed? If water can be explained by H20, why say that there must be something else that makes water, water?

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Sean Killackey said...
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Edgar Foster said...

You're eright, Sean. I believe that spirit beings have minds, and it is possible for people to be demon-possessed. But even the WT says that one should probably not quickly conclude that mental disorders are the direct result of demon-possession. Rather, they result from natural factors although the demons could aggravatea condition or use mental illness to harm someone's relationship with Jehovah.

Sean Killackey said...
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Edgar Foster said...

I've often used mental disorders and how we treat them as evidence against belief in the soul. Obviously, someone could always attribute depression and any healing for depression to a soul, but it's also possible that depression results from our brain chemistry, and we can make it better by taking drugs and seeking some kind of therapy. BTW, I'm not making suggestions here, but merely stating what is metaphysically possible.

I used to watch Star Trek as a child, but never got into Voyager. But I see your point and it's a good one. I also believe that demons sometimes cause sicknesses and even Jehovah is able to bring about illness at times. In the Bible, he gave certain men the "piles." He plagued the Egyptians too.