It makes sense that the beginning comes after the creation of the Word, but the father is not created, the Word is the first of the creation by God. He (Origen) gets kind of confused about the holy spirit, he misses the point that it is the power of "The God". He seems to think it comes about after Jesus the Logos. If it is the power of God it is what he used to bring the Logos into existence. It may be that after such it is redefined by God as the holy spirit, but the bible does not say one way or the other. Furthermore it is not an intelligent seperate creature of God. The Logos is an intelligent seperate creature. But, wow Origen is confusing, he must have been a big time thinker and talker.
Origen was heavily influenced by Neoplatonism--some say Middle Platonism. He got quite a few things wrong, no matter who you ask, but I like his word studies (even if they're wrong). His method for studying scriptural words has some merit. However, this church father loved to speculate.
Yes much of work smacks of sensationalist claims & controversy (a great way to sell books in volume nowadays) but I was hoping that a collaboration work like this will be more factually informative & less speculative.
If I can get it at the right price I may take a look.
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It makes sense that the beginning comes after the creation of the Word, but the father is not created, the Word is the first of the creation by God. He (Origen) gets kind of confused about the holy spirit, he misses the point that it is the power of "The God". He seems to think it comes about after Jesus the Logos. If it is the power of God it is what he used to bring the Logos into existence. It may be that after such it is redefined by God as the holy spirit, but the bible does not say one way or the other. Furthermore it is not an intelligent seperate creature of God. The Logos is an intelligent seperate creature. But, wow Origen is confusing, he must have been a big time thinker and talker.
Origen was heavily influenced by Neoplatonism--some say Middle Platonism. He got quite a few things wrong, no matter who you ask, but I like his word studies (even if they're wrong). His method for studying scriptural words has some merit. However, this church father loved to speculate.
Edgar,
Just wondered if you have read this:-
http://ehrmanblog.org/fourth-gospel/
If you have is it worth purchasing?
Duncan, I try not to read Bart's stuff, so I have not read the work though it sounds interesting.
Yes much of work smacks of sensationalist claims & controversy (a great way to sell books in volume nowadays) but I was hoping that a collaboration work like this will be more factually informative & less speculative.
If I can get it at the right price I may take a look.
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