isn't it a well known fact that the nearest possible antecedent isn't always the correct one? I agree in terms of it being a doxology to God and not to Jesus, surely this statement could have been reconstructed if it was meant for Christ
The usage of the article in this case is significant as whenever the Father is called God it is always with the article.
Goodspeed rendered it the best in my opinion, in a way that can be taken either or
I copied and pasted the text from a pdf, so I did not scan it. I can only make it so big on Blogger due to formatting. I will try to do what I can. Best regards.
Nincsnevem:Here is my note on Romans 9:5, Mr. Foster, would you take a look at it?
https://justpaste.it/3d2p4https://justpaste.it/3d2p4 I found this to be an excellent defense of modalism/ oneness theology,but a falsification of the Nicene creed.
Romans ch.9:5NAB"theirs the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, is the Messiah. God who is over all 3 be blessed forever. Amen."
If the unipersonal Christ is that one God who is over all then manifestly the Nicene creed is false.
Romans ch.9:5CJB"the Patriarchs are theirs; and from them, as far as his physical descent is concerned, came the Messiah, who is over all. Praised be Adonai for ever! Amen."
Romans ch.9:5CEV"They have those famous ancestors, who were also the ancestors of the Christ.[a] I pray that God, who rules over all, will be praised forever![b] Amen."
Romans ch.9:5GNT"they are descended from the famous Hebrew ancestors; and Christ, as a human being, belongs to their race. May God, who rules over all, be praised forever![b] Amen."
Romans ch.9:5TLB"Great men of God were your fathers, and Christ himself was one of you, a Jew so far as his human nature is concerned, he who now rules over all things. Praise God forever!"
Romans ch.9:5NAB(RE)"They are Israelites; theirs the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; 5 theirs the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, is the Messiah. God who is over all[c] be blessed forever. Amen."
Romans ch.9:5NLV"The early preachers came from this family. Christ Himself was born of flesh from this family and He is over all things. May God be honored and thanked forever. Let it be so."
Romans ch.9:5RSV"to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever.[a] Amen."
I know I keep citing Goodspeed and Moffatt but in my opinion they were honest in their translating rather than pushing an agenda - would have loved to see their translations of the other biblical texts.
is there any examples in the LXX for point of comparison? (the NT is so limited in examples)
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Here is my note on Romans 9:5, Mr. Foster, would you take a look at it?
https://justpaste.it/3d2p4
By the way, could I ask you to scan the text into a larger resolution so that the OCR can do something with it?
isn't it a well known fact that the nearest possible antecedent isn't always the correct one?
I agree in terms of it being a doxology to God and not to Jesus, surely this statement could have been reconstructed if it was meant for Christ
The usage of the article in this case is significant as whenever the Father is called God it is always with the article.
Goodspeed rendered it the best in my opinion, in a way that can be taken either or
Dear Nincsnevem,
I copied and pasted the text from a pdf, so I did not scan it. I can only make it so big on Blogger due to formatting. I will try to do what I can. Best regards.
Nincsnevem:Here is my note on Romans 9:5, Mr. Foster, would you take a look at it?
https://justpaste.it/3d2p4https://justpaste.it/3d2p4
I found this to be an excellent defense of modalism/ oneness theology,but a falsification of the Nicene creed.
Romans ch.9:5NAB"theirs the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, is the Messiah. God who is over all 3 be blessed forever. Amen."
If the unipersonal Christ is that one God who is over all then manifestly the Nicene creed is false.
Romans ch.9:5CJB"the Patriarchs are theirs; and from them, as far as his physical descent is concerned, came the Messiah, who is over all. Praised be Adonai for ever! Amen."
Romans ch.9:5CEV"They have those famous ancestors, who were also the ancestors of the Christ.[a] I pray that God, who rules over all, will be praised forever![b] Amen."
Romans ch.9:5GNT"they are descended from the famous Hebrew ancestors; and Christ, as a human being, belongs to their race. May God, who rules over all, be praised forever![b] Amen."
Romans ch.9:5TLB"Great men of God were your fathers, and Christ himself was one of you, a Jew so far as his human nature is concerned, he who now rules over all things. Praise God forever!"
Romans ch.9:5NAB(RE)"They are Israelites; theirs the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; 5 theirs the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, is the Messiah. God who is over all[c] be blessed forever. Amen."
Romans ch.9:5NLV"The early preachers came from this family. Christ Himself was born of flesh from this family and He is over all things. May God be honored and thanked forever. Let it be so."
Romans ch.9:5RSV"to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever.[a] Amen."
Good points, Anonymous, and you're right about the antecedent in Greek.
Goodspeed: "and the patriarchs, and from them physically Christ came—God who is over all be blessed forever! Amen."
I know I keep citing Goodspeed and Moffatt but in my opinion they were honest in their translating rather than pushing an agenda - would have loved to see their translations of the other biblical texts.
is there any examples in the LXX for point of comparison? (the NT is so limited in examples)
For examples, see https://repository.sbts.edu/bitstream/handle/10392/3953/Carraway_sbts_0207D_10066.pdf
Might not accept his conclusion but that part of his study about the LXX could be useful.
https://www.livingwater-spain.com/Rom_9_5.pdf
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