Wednesday, September 18, 2024

In Defense of the Resurrection: Verses That Speak About Being Raised from the Dead

Verses about the resurrection from the dead:

Mark 16:6; John 5:28-29; Acts 24:15; Hebrews 6:1-2; 1 Corinthians 15:1-58; Acts 17:31 Hebrews 11:19

Daniel 12:2, 13
Isaiah 26:19
Hosea 13:14
Ezekiel 37:1-14

Compare Romans 6:9; Revelation 1:18


19 comments:

Duncan said...

DSS Daniel - 8 scrolls with extracts from every chapter except 12

Edgar Foster said...

Yeah, that's the DSS, but Wiki says:

"The Book of Daniel is preserved in the 12-chapter Masoretic Text and in two longer Greek versions, the original Septuagint version, c. 100 BC, and the later Theodotion version from c. 2nd century AD."

See also https://brill.com/display/book/9789004443280/BP000015.xml

I have no doubt that concepts from Daniel 12 or similar thereto are reflected in the GNT.

Edgar Foster said...

https://biblearchaeology.org/research/chronological-categories/divided-monarchy/3193-new-light-on-the-book-of-daniel-from-the-dead-sea-scrolls

Duncan said...

You have a BCE witness in Greek to chapter 12?

Duncan said...

Pg 279 - VI. Daniel The 00 text of ch. 12 is unlike the sections that we have considered previously because it has more textual differences, particularly additions, when compared to MT. These textual differences will be discussed initially under the rubric of Syntax.

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/9640633.pdf

A test in flux?

Duncan said...

https://www.proquest.com/openview/d5ac94600e7db1185f7ca0979303d7c0/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y

Duncan said...

"The oldest Greek language copy of Daniel is Papyrus 967, dated to 3rd century CE."

Duncan said...

https://paultanner.org/English%20Docs/Daniel/Introductory/App%20C%20-%20Texts%20Versions.pdf
App.C.3

Edgar Foster said...

https://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/58706/1/Bledsoe_Relationship.pdf

There is no serious reason to doubt that chapter 12 was written in the BCE period: even one link you posted confirmed this point. Also see the link above and the tanner.org link does not seem to cast doubt on chapter 12 either.

Edgar Foster said...

Keep in mind that MS do wear out :-)

Edgar Foster said...

https://www.thetorah.com/article/the-valley-of-dry-bones-and-the-resurrection-of-the-dead

I don't support this late date for Daniel, but think it was written earlier. However, even those who practice historical-criticism don't try to locate Daniel in the CE period.

Edgar Foster said...

"Every chapter of Daniel is represented in the eight manuscripts, except for Daniel 12. Yet this does not mean that the book lacked the final chapter at Qumran, since Dan 12:10 is quoted in fragments 1-3 ii 3 - 4 a of the Florilegium (4Q174), which explicitly tells us that it is written in the book of Daniel the
Prophet."

See http://ndl.ethernet.edu.et/bitstream/123456789/51323/1/18.pdf

Duncan said...

https://intertextual.bible/book/4q174/chapter/1

Duncan said...

I am sure you appreciate the gnostic nature of the supposed quote of Daniel 12:10. It also has no linkage requirements to verses before and after. So, does it confirm the contents of an early chapter 12 of Daniel? Once one removes presuppositions.

Duncan said...

As far as I can tell at the moment, THE SIBYLLINE ORACLES only use Daniel 7 & 11.

Edgar Foster said...

Sorry, but I don't find the quote to be Gnostic. Similar statements are made in other parts of Daniel and other Bible books.

Duncan said...

"Similar statements are made in other parts of Daniel and other Bible books." In the OT?

Edgar Foster said...

I was thinking of Daniel 11 and Deuteronomy 29:29.

Duncan said...

Your assumptions are putting the cart before the horse and Deut 29:29 is talking about knowledge already attained, not the promise of knowledge never attained which is the hallmark of Gnosis writings - Like Paul's sacred secret.

https://www.tyndalebulletin.org/article/30242-early-traces-of-the-book-of-daniel.pdf

Even these don't demonstrate Daniel 12 & reference to 1st Enoch is highly dubious in any case.